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Posted on 2007.04.16 at 22:00


snapper521 at 2007-06-29 19:34 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Women and bad boys

It is because we can not be as wise as the elderly that the human race will never truly progress. It will constantly go through the same old cycles until Christ returns. (the tribulation)
leonardii at 2007-06-30 17:55 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Women and bad boys

Very wise words indeed!

I'm superbly and greatly impressed!

You are quite unique yourself.

And I thought myself to be quite the philosopher. Hmmm, I may have just met my equal.

We shall see, my new friend, as time passes...
snapper521 at 2007-06-30 23:32 (UTC) (Link)

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Thank you.

Best not allow Tomas the Tomato to hear you praising me Leon... :-)
leonardii at 2007-07-01 08:04 (UTC) (Link)

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Best not allow Tomas the Tomato to hear you praising me Leon... :-)

Why? Should I be afraid?

I will praise whom I please - especially those deserving of wonderful accolades.

Me? Afraid? Not likely.

snapper521 at 2007-07-01 22:40 (UTC) (Link)

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Tomato is touchy about my intelligence. He enjoys reminding me that I am not as smart as him. However I've pointed out on many occasions that he is smart, but that we just have different areas of wisdom.

He truly is a good friend, merely enjoys putting me down, helps him feel important I suppose. And it really doesn't effect me very much. once in awhile it does, but not often anymore. :-)
leonardii at 2007-07-02 02:50 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Women and bad boys

From these first weeks of getting to know you - I think you have a source of great intelligence and some very good wisdom to go along with it.

Please, for the sake of your own self confidence, if people you believe to have intelligence and wisdom are telling you that you have the same (intelligence & wisdom), then by all means... *all* others who tell you differently are insignificant.

Wise people do not go around boasting about how much wiser than they are of others, nor do they go to great lengths to put down people regarding their own wisdom and intelligence. For those sorts of insults are plainly jealous, rude, and derogatory comments to make the insulter feel greater about himself.

For people who have the self assurance and confidence that they have some sense of brains and wisdom - they don't go around telling others how great *they* are and how little others have.

That may sound contrite and extremely simple - but like you said, at first those words affected you. And I know how they've affected others.

My sister was married to a man way too many years. He called her stupid, ignorant, and he was "smart" and knew the ways of the world.

She was a cosmetologist all her life - and that was all she knew... and she was living by herself with two children to support and all she could afford was to live in government assisted housing and - and she was going nowhere in life.

I convinced her to let me help put a resume together for her (I did a little doctoring, but that's fair game, I think). Anyway, I got her a job just as a simple administrative assistant. She had never touched a keyboard or a mouse at this point. But in a couple of weeks, she was using word - simple enough to learn. And pretty soon after that, she was already learning to make spreadsheets in excel.

Now, she's running her own business with a wonderful new husband, she's gone to college, and almost has completed her AS degree. And she has taken computer courses in Powerpoint and Coreldraw - and now knows these programs far better than I do... and I was once *her* teacher, and now she's mine.

So - I know how easy it is for people to be beaten down. And it's hard to come up. So if you are telling me that you've been beaten down before. So please, just don't listen to that *bullshit*.

Listen *only* to the positive, because it's much harder for people to make positive (and kind) remarks than it is to make negative (and unkind) remarks.

If people are taking their time to tell you that you impress them, that they think you are intelligent, and they are touched by your wisdom - those are *very* precious words to be always treasured and to be kept close to your heart (lest you start to lose hope) and to your mind (lest you start to truly believe the negative).

I'm proud to hear you say that those words don't affect you as often anymore. I'd be more proud to hear you say they don't affect you at all.

But let that process continue of keeping the positive and disregarding the negative and soon your mind will be shielded by those who are inept.

And keep building yourself with knowledge, studying all things, and all forms of philosophy because the wisdom in one sentence of one book you may not fully grasp, but the same context in another book may bring to your mind a true epiphany!

You don't have to be religious in any way - or even be a Christian. But reading the "Psalms" and "Proverbs" in the Protestant Bible are valuable words to any person of any creed. And if you can get yourself a Catholic Bible, there are two more books - one called "Wisdom," and my favorite "Sirach" will fill your head with heaping amounts of gentle but firm wisdom. Starting with table manners, friendship, caution regarding associates, the proper use of wealth, moderation, humility, advice concerning women, once again another chapter on friendship, and of course seeking the Divine and the value of wisdom itself. "Sirach" is truly one of my books that I refer to when I need to research a particular point of view on philosophy. Like I said - you don't have to be religious or even Christian to appreciate the words it has regarding treating guests, friends, associates, and even table manners! A really fun book to just read.

ehowton at 2007-07-02 15:29 (UTC) (Link)

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That is completely and utterly true. You're a kind and gentle man. These are words I live by! I do NOT suffer fools - I have no time. If someone around you is going to be negative all the time, I have no use for them.

I hope she reads, and understands your words.
leonardii at 2007-07-02 17:29 (UTC) (Link)

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Thank you very much for the very kind words, sir.

Your words too - I treasure as well. I listen heartedly, for I know you to be a worldly man, sophisticated and cultured, intelligent and wise. And very witty to boot. :)

I've said it before - compliments from you are worth 10 of others. :)

Some people are like animals - and you may treat them as such:

A whip is for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, And a rod for the back of fools.
--Proverbs 26:3

Some people are stubborn and prone to laziness. That's why the boss has to pull out the "whip" and get people to work. Some people are just faithful workmen - but they are lost and need to be led by others. And the rest - they deserve to be beaten within one inch of their life. And they usually do as they are foolish enough to meet up with the wrong person one day.

Now, as a Catholic, I'm not one to usually take scripture and turn into a fundamentalist and take the words all literally. In my opinion, that would be fool hearty - all though some sects of Christianity do just that. They take an English translation from scripture written over thousands of years ago (translated through several languages), in a completely different context and cultural setting - and take the translation and apply to this modern age. I just don't believe in that.

I mean, are we supposed to believe that we must drag a homosexual out into the street and "stone" him/her to death because "The Bible tells us so?" Nonsense.

But some things never change over the many years. One of those is the nature of people. Jealousy, greed, envy, hatred, stubbornness. Unfortunately, as many good qualities there are in a human beings - the worst can show their ugly side quite readily and easily.

But as for the Provers quote, some words, well, they just seem to be ageless and timeless. And they just make good sense.

We still listen to listen to the wise words of Nietzsche, Sun Tzu, Lao Tze and the "Tao Te Ching," The Buddha, Christ - all good philosophers... and all have a good message to say. Love is ultimate and forever, hatred and anger only cause undo destruction, violence, suffering, and pain.

Shield yourself with love, and the badness will break as easily as water against the shore.
snapper521 at 2007-07-05 23:52 (UTC) (Link)

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I have never read the catholic bible. Since I've been raised conservative Lutheran -- it is frowned upon to read "the other bible".

However :-) I can get my hands on one if I try hard enough, so I will keep that in mind. :-)

I am a woman of faith and have been raised in a Christian manner all of my life. So it is nothing to tell me go read the psalms and proverbs.

Proverbs is honestly my favorite book. I turn to it whenever I am feeling down and in need of guidance from him.

Anyway -- :-)

Thanks for the advice Leon. :-) I won't be removing Tomas from my friends. I rather enjoy him, it is only his negative comments once in awhile.

By the way -- it is only when Tomas does not pay attention to how I am feeling and just plows forward like a bull in a china shop that his negatives hurt me. And since he has not done that for literal months... I truly believe that it is either no longer an issue, or is close to being a non-existent issue.

BTW -- Eric Howton and PhotoGoot have both given me similar advice. Yet again this is an example of how men of similar age think in a similar manner. :-)
leonardii at 2007-07-11 03:49 (UTC) (Link)

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I don't think age has the defining point. I've worked in many an office with men from 20 - 60 years of age. Each one displayed their own level of intelligence, wisdom, and maturity. I was shocked to see so many men with so many more years than me show such an utter lack of all that I just mentioned.

No - I think it rather has to do with *what* kind of men we are. Caring, nurturing, kind, gentle, and yes - we are men with some great experience having traveled the globe. This kind of man, regardless of age will probably never try to fill your head with garbage - only good common sense and the zeal to seek out and find intelligence and wisdom of your own. Good for you - reading Proverbs. Like I said, in the Catholic Bible, the two books "Wisdom" and "Sirach" are much more explicit in their language, which makes them actually quite fun to read.

For instance, on Table Etiquette:
Sirach 31:27
"Wine is very life to man if taken in moderation. Does he really live who lacks the wine which was created for his joy"

Sirach 31:28
"Joy of heart, good cheer and merriment are drunk freely at the proper time."

Sirach 31:31
"Rebuke not your neighbor when wife is served, nor put him to shame in his merry; Use no harsh words with him and distress him not in the presence of others."

But also remember:
Sirach 31:29
"Headache, bitterness and disgrace is wine drunk amid anger and strife."
Sirach 31:30
"More and more wine is a snare for the fool; it lessens his strength and multiplies his wounds."

Now, all of that - that is just plain good common sense and use of ones brains. And wasn't that just a little bit of fun to read. Even in the Bible, it mentions headache as punishment. They knew what a hangover was... and I would be very curious to know some of their Biblical "hangover cures" for the fool who drinks himself stupid. :)

Anyway... you have your right to compare us "men" as you wish. But I prefer that you realize that it is not age that brings us to give you our take on life... it is from "worldly" experience. Not so many men of our age have it in such great quantities. I'm not saying we are the wise men from The East Orient, but they too traveled far and were called wise men. So think on that.
snapper521 at 2007-07-11 21:32 (UTC) (Link)

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Men are, and will forever remain, complicated. :-P

I know the man I'm looking for... now to just find him. :-)
leonardii at 2007-07-12 19:14 (UTC) (Link)

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Good luck on the "hunt."

Some men are more or less complicated. Perhaps you should find out for yourself just how complicated or simple you want that man to be. Then try and find him.

But that road - can be long and very unforgiving. I wish there was a shortcut. But as for this, in life, I know none.

There is a certain sweet pleasure in simplicity. But, I think too much simplicity leads to boredom. With complexity (and complication) comes excitement and adventures. But there also comes a more range of emotion.

Whatever you want and need is surely something in between - as we all try and find for ourselves.

But if there is something that I do know, is that simple people can grow and gain more complexity... and that is truly exciting to share with those your knowledge and impart upon them some of the sweet things life has to offer. However, with those who are already complex - it's nigh impossible to make them want to become more simple.

Maybe that will help, maybe it won't. In the meantime. The pleasure of the chase has its own merit of "fun."

Go forth and search!! And may you find the love of your life!

ehowton at 2007-07-12 19:52 (UTC) (Link)

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Anyway... you have your right to compare us "men" as you wish. But I prefer that you realize that it is not age that brings us to give you our take on life... it is from "worldly" experience. Not so many men of our age have it in such great quantities. I'm not saying we are the wise men from The East Orient, but they too traveled far and were called wise men. So think on that.

I tell you sir, this makes perfect sense to me and I've often thought the same thing myself. But then again, I wondered if that was just selfishness or pride speaking. For example, look at drax0r Has never left the states, and only left Texas once. Yet he's so well read, it seems to make up for lack of worldly experience.

Or does it? He and I have often debated the aspects of each. Very interesting you should bring this up and unknowingly defend my point of view.
leonardii at 2007-07-13 00:51 (UTC) (Link)

Experience part I

Well, with everything considered - it would be a vicious debate over which would bring more experience, intelligence, and overall wisdom to a man - worldliness, or being well-read. Both bring a man knowledge, both bring a sense of experience - one seen (and doing things) through his personal set of eyes and travels, and the other just happens to see and "experience" the world through the eyes and words of another.

Of course, in the case such as you and I - we have done both. Been around, seen some funky stuff, seen great works, seen some real poverty and squalor and what the world has to offer in extreme beauty and extreme ugliness. At the same time, I know we both are avid readers, and have poured in vast words into the many crinkles of our grey matter that floats every so gracefully upon our neck and shoulders. Plus, there is a quote that is so great:

“Books are the compasses and telescopes and sextants and charts which other men have prepared to help us navigate the dangerous seas of human life.”
--Jesse Lee Bennett

So, having done both - I would have to say that there is just nothing in the world that compensates for seeing and doing for yourself what others have only written about. The majesty of the Kremlin walls I have seen in film, books, and magazines. However - standing next to the wall - they are in all the trueness of the word - awesome. Very large, very huge, very majestic. I could never imagine from what I have seen before I ever went to Moscow - but after having seen those red walls in countless films and pictures, the debate ends when you stand amongst them. Even if you never read a single word about their history, or if you never saw a picture of them in your life - just having been there, it changes a man. It feels him with more than knowledge and experience. You also have a true sensation of the essence of the moment. Yes, you can describe that feeling. But one will *never* feel it just by reading your description nor mine... even if both were written in the most perfect detail. I know books and words can move you, they can frighten you, and they can make you laugh heartily. But, being on a spot of history is truly an exciting thrill and you just can't put it into words for others.

And the emotion I felt walking down the streets in Moscow. Seeing the exceedingly rich juxtaposed against mangled and disfigured war veterans who are obviously living in abject poverty also creates a sensation that cannot be put into words. Maybe if I described everything, and you were sensitive enough and my words were eloquent enough... perhaps you would shed a tear. But my tears were the kind from real experience from horror at witnessing men of war, anger at the negligence of such a powerful European state simply throwing away their own heroes to try and survive in the bitter cold out on the street, and jubilation that I live in a powerful state that pays me for my wounds and cares for me in a hospital that is actually quite decent. Much more decent than what can be expected to just survive in the cold. Again - cold, another experience you can write tomes about - but unless you've been in the highest mountain peaks of Germany, freezing your gonads off and just simply bearing such suffering without shelter except a make shift lean to kind of a tent and just a sleeping bag to protect you from the cold... that you get to sleep in for only about 3 hours in a 24 hour period.

leonardii at 2007-07-13 00:52 (UTC) (Link)

Experience part II

I ask you sir, how can you put these experiences into words that will give another man the same feelings? I've just written about what I've seen and done - but unless you've done the same (or similar), how can we possibly truly compare notes? You can't.

There is nothing wrong with being wise and experience through knowledge gained by the writings and descriptions of others. But now when I see documentaries of soldiers in the past, freezing and dieing in the cold. I truly understand why. Because the cold will surely kill you!!!

Regardless - I just enjoy men who gain intelligence, experience, and wisdom any way they can.

And if any argument should arise, it's not that I don't respect those who have never seen nor done the things that I have - but I cannot condone any "empathy" and very little sympathy from them... because seeing and doing are leagues apart in difference than simply reading and just knowing.

I think your point of view, as well as mine would be shared by men who have also traveled the globe.

Is there a substitute for the real thing? Well, try as you like - but for sex, one would have to agree that just a little bit of doing can far better give a man knowledge, experience, and wisdom than if he just spent his time reading the Kama Sutra all day long! :)

Apply that principle example to some other things in the world - and perhaps far more people will vote for your side of the debate. :)
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