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Jesus: An Astrological Allegory?

Posted on 2008.10.20 at 07:45


Cat Who Likes OpenBSD
bsdcat at 2008-10-20 17:12 (UTC) (Link)
OK, so the Bible is full of fables, allegory, and borrowed pagan symbolism - all pretending to be an historical accounting of events, which aren't particularly trustworthy.

Isn't there still some truth there? The allegories serve some purpose, point in some direction, don't they? And hell, historically, there was a reason people started the whole religion in the first place, isn't there? Something people saw in the historical Jesus, that led them to ascribe these particular stories and this particular bent to the astrological template?
ehowton at 2008-10-20 21:10 (UTC) (Link)
...there was a reason people started the whole religion in the first place, isn't there?
Yes, the point of the first part of the video was how religion was created to have a hold over societies to further agendas. The second and third parts brought it in to play through the global markets and finally state-sponsored terrorism. The film was very well done, but I haven't completed it yet, wanting to focus on one part at a time.
Cat Who Likes OpenBSD
bsdcat at 2008-10-20 21:19 (UTC) (Link)
C'mon, you touch on this yourself: a lot of the astrological basis being discussed was simply a particular way to convey and remember and pass on practical knowledge of seasons, calendars, and just about everything else that strongly impacts agrarian cultures.

So here's the problem: what got Christianity started, back before it was the Roman state religion, before the Council of Nicea? We have records that these stories, and at least some of the astrological symbolism, predates it being anything but a weird tiny cult with no influence. What did those early cultists see, what was their interest in a particular bent to the symbolism and the allegories they attributed to Jesus?
ehowton at 2008-10-20 22:25 (UTC) (Link)
I see what you mean. I don't know. Among biblical scholars, Jesus as a man walking the earth is rarely disputed, while amongst detractors he was simply the myths personified. Its a great question because it asks how Christianity got its start in such a way it way that the pagan beliefs wee applied to it - something I'd never thought to ask.

In the film, they suggest Christianity was entirely engineered, then adopted, as a political tool in order to justify control for the purpose of submission to authority. As this is entirely new to me, I have not yet looked into the validity of that claim.
Cat Who Likes OpenBSD
bsdcat at 2008-10-21 00:36 (UTC) (Link)
Ignore for a second the question of an historical Jesus: there was still a Christian religion, as a weird heretical cult, centuries before Constantine I and the First Council of Nicaea.

Just some extra stuff to think about... I don't have any answers about the real roots of Christianity, but I don't think it's as cut and dried as what you're saying about the video suggests their thesis to be. :)
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