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Posted on 2009.03.09 at 12:00
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One of the points creationists like to bring up when discussing the asininity of evolution is the idea that if evolution were viable, we'd see a number of creatures (hereby referred to as 'evolutionary beings' as the word creature denotes a creator) somewhere along the evolutionary path in our everyday lives.

"Where are the flying giraffe's?"

Richard Dawkins attempts to explain the misconception behind Eldredge and Gould's punctuated equilibrium through something he calls "variable speedism" which maintains that evolutionary rates fluctuate continuously from very fast to very slow, up to and including full-stop, which is nothing more than stasis - an extreme case of very slow evolutionary progress.

"Where are the eight-legged hippopotamuses?"

But I disagree. I see it everyday, all around me. People in transitory phases. Evolution in progress. What I see transcends 'survival of the fittest' insofar as the weak are not being hunted by the strong. I see gross self-destruction through what can only be described as evolutionary ignorance. Not ignorance of evolution, but that in-between phase of the evolutionary process between those who seek knowledge, and those who eschew it.

I can't think of any other reason for it. My own empirical code has shown me things I never would've thought possible, but rather close my eyes to these truths, I've embraced them - learned from them. I know why I was hesitant to believe them, but turning away from evidence is paramount to delusion. So I see them amongst us, those who walk beside us. We interact with them every day. They're mutants of sorts. Devolving. In our lifetime.

The next time I hear that argument come up in an creationist debate, I'm simply going to point to those who surround us everyday with their aggressive ignorance.


Tat-Man the Zombie Hunter
scareypete at 2009-03-09 17:16 (UTC) (Link)
LOL @ Huntsville.

I would Beat Dawkins about the head and neck with his own books if I had the chance. He is an Anti-thiest ass clown who goes out of his way to irrationally persecute people for their irrational beliefs. Self contradicting dumbfuck.

Ok... Done ranting about Dawkins for aminute.

I never understood how People cannot believe that evolution happens. Of course I suppose I am one of those intelligent design assholes.... although I prefer to consider it more of an Autopilot program. Life was created to survive... so It adapts and overcomes its environment to continue surviving in its myriad forms. If Giraffes needed to Fly... they would in the next 30+ Generations develop wings... But they have already evolved to reach those high branches... why fly? If Hippos Needed 4 more legs.... well what exactly is the evolutionary purpose behind that? I cannot fathom how that would help them overcome some environmental challenge.

DNA is a marvelous chemical computer, within it lies the ability of all life forms to adapt and overcome... of course like all computers there are the occasional lines of hostile code that constantly malfunctions, and there are viruses that alter the code.

ehowton at 2009-03-09 17:30 (UTC) (Link)
I used the flying giraffe and 8-legged hippopotamus as absurd examples. I'm glad you were amused with them as well. Visualizing them made me giggle.
Melancthe the Woe, So-Called
melancthe at 2009-03-09 17:22 (UTC) (Link)
Darwin's punctuated equilibrium

Punctuated equilibrium is a theory introduced by Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould in the 1970s.
ehowton at 2009-03-09 17:29 (UTC) (Link)
Thank you, yes. In my attempt at brevity I appeared to have obfuscated that fact. I will attempt to correct.
joey_glover at 2009-03-09 17:37 (UTC) (Link)
maybe it is that survival of the fittest is no longer a matter of physical stength. But rather a contest of tintelligence and willpower to move forward?
ehowton at 2009-03-09 17:53 (UTC) (Link)
That thought crossed my mind as well.
dentin at 2009-03-09 21:09 (UTC) (Link)
As someone who has quite a bit of experience with the technical side of evolutionary processes, I really must protest at the imprecision with which you're using the word evolution in this post.

It appears that you're treating genetic evolution as being the same thing as the evolution of a person's internal state, as well as being the same as the evolution of memes and ideas. These three things are very different, and the use of one word in the various circumstances without clear delineation makes is -very- difficult for me to parse this post into something meaningful.

To give an example, my first reading of this was that you would use the devolution of the ignorant people you see around you as evidence that evolution is in fact false.

Could you annotate or clarify for me? I'll post more when I get back from kung fu class.
ehowton at 2009-03-09 21:54 (UTC) (Link)
People ask me all the time where I get the inspirations for my posts. I'll tell you - I don't know. Wherever the initial spark comes from, I usually chew on it a little bit first. Sometimes a day, sometimes a week. I've kicked things around in my head for a fortnight before I've sat to start forming words, and even then I sometimes don't know which direction they'll take. Fortunately, I can talk at least at a high level on many concepts and ideas until I learn more. Of those I'm not as familiar with, if its something I have a little time to play around with, I enjoy research. I find it fascinating to learn about new things. If its off the cuff, I can usually find something similar I'm familiar with as a starting point, and use it as a running analogy until I'm up to speed. Generally speaking, that's the process I go through before I post.

Except for this one.
CeltManX, Devlin O' Coileáin
celtmanx at 2009-03-10 03:34 (UTC) (Link)
Sunday before last, my oldest boy had an awards ceremony of sorts for playing basketball at the local Baptist church, it was more inaccurate propaganda than anything. The awards ceremony was extremely brief and at the end of the program, each coach handed out the awards to their teams at the same time. The propaganda was that they brought in a bad magician from Austin who told the kids that evolution was poop.

My jaw dropped, I was, as you know raised Catholic and still am Catholic and I never heard of such a thing as evolution being compared to poop in church. Darwin never stated God was not involved in evolution or their was not a god.

I was quite horrified at these ignorant remarks, but then again I do often hear the dueling banjos from Deliverance in this one horse town I live in. It's customary if not required for women here to be a mother by 16, grand mother by 32, and great grand mother by 48 and so on.
ehowton at 2009-03-10 12:09 (UTC) (Link)
lesabre500 at 2009-03-10 08:14 (UTC) (Link)


I am living proof there is a missing link. Send him to me.
ehowton at 2009-03-10 12:08 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Devolution

That's the best idea I've heard yet. Thanks.
thesweetestnote at 2009-03-10 15:46 (UTC) (Link)
The sign rocks! Luv it. And you seem to have snatched the pebble from the hand. Facts are overrated ;P
ehowton at 2009-03-10 16:32 (UTC) (Link)

Ed Gruberman

Who disturbs our meditation, as a pebble disturbs the stillness of the pond?
(Anonymous) at 2009-03-11 00:07 (UTC) (Link)

Church signs...

Salvation, if there was such a thing, does not come via advertisement. I am going to be a great, natural fertilizer for a tree somewhere. No embalming, nothing. Wrap me in a shroud so I can *happily* go back naturally to where I came from.

Is this so hard to understand? Reason, people.

You are not any smarter than I am. I promise you. And definitely, you are not more enlightened that I am.

This is the time to live. Right now. Anything else is as crazy as 72 virgins. Don't you get it? It's all bullshit.

Live your life now. Be the best, most loving person you can be. Make the world a better place. And don't exclude anyone because some book of random thoughts, interpreted, by important looking people, have you to think that way.

(Anonymous) at 2009-03-11 00:10 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Church signs...

Yeah, that was me... don't get me started nex time.


fionnabard at 2009-03-11 16:28 (UTC) (Link)
Hi. This is Trey's current other half Fionna. He talks about your posts all the time and tells me I should read them. So I added you to my friends list.
No comment on your post since I was talking to Trey about it when he wrote his questions.
Just so you know who I am.
ehowton at 2009-03-11 17:00 (UTC) (Link)
Howdy, ma'am. I know who you are...the beautiful and elusive Fionna!

That's kind of him to say so; alas, a poor entry to introduce you to, but I do have my moments. Oddly enough, my rampant misrepresentation here has generated quite a few comments, much to my amusement.

I look forward to interacting with you!
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