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Posted on 2009.10.17 at 01:00


exorhi at 2009-10-17 16:36 (UTC) (Link)
How old are your children? I'm just curious.

Congrats on quitting excessive caffeine and nicotine. It's a good decision.

You use windows 7?
ehowton at 2009-10-19 02:35 (UTC) (Link)
My son is 9 & my daughter 7.

Not having tobacco seems...well, odd. I'm still getting used to it.
ehowton at 2009-10-19 02:54 (UTC) (Link)
You use windows 7?

There's few operating systems I don't use.
exorhi at 2009-10-19 03:02 (UTC) (Link)
I was thinking about switching to it, but my dad told me its "about the same as vista." i've been using the same computer with xp since age 9.
ehowton at 2009-10-19 03:17 (UTC) (Link)
Ha! Only on the outside. It runs far lighter underneath. Look at it this way, sitting idle with nothing running, Vista uses about 50% Available memory, leaving only half for the user. Windows 7 uses about 1%. So while it may look like Vista, it's a whole new operating system.

I'm still not convinced we need to replace XP just yet, but as you mentioned, it's getting a little long in the tooth and at some point they'll pull support. I'm just thankful that the replacement isn't Vista.
exorhi at 2009-10-19 03:49 (UTC) (Link)
yeah, when my dad made that comment you should have seen the face i made. one of our computers has vista and it's really hard to use. i didn't really like it. i know xp in and out by now.
Tomas Gallucci
schpydurx at 2009-10-19 03:11 (UTC) (Link)
And yet you're using a version of Vista. It like I don't even know you anymore.
ehowton at 2009-10-19 03:21 (UTC) (Link)
As far as I've been able to tell, its not related to Vista at all, except visually. I didn't know you had been testing it as well. Tell me of your experiences.
CeltManX, Devlin O' Coileáin
celtmanx at 2009-10-19 03:35 (UTC) (Link)
"Tell me of your experiences."
Did you want to hear his experiences before or after delivering pizza???
ehowton at 2009-10-19 05:04 (UTC) (Link)
In nomine Patri. Et Fili. Spiritus Sancti.
Tomas Gallucci
schpydurx at 2009-10-19 06:04 (UTC) (Link)
You're running the Vista kernel, dumbass.
ehowton at 2009-10-19 06:48 (UTC) (Link)
Its only because I know how much you wish you could do the "real life" things that I do, that I allow your to asininity to run rampant on my blog by 'countering' for example, my hands-on test with things you've only heard, or seen other people do.

Get a real life. Seriously.

And because I'm not a completely unsympathetic bastard I'll offer you this alternative should you choose to not get your own life:


Because while you think its chic to regurgitate something you read on engaget, to those of us who do its just embarrassing.

CeltManX, Devlin O' Coileáin
celtmanx at 2009-10-19 12:50 (UTC) (Link)
Now that is funny!!!
Tomas Gallucci
schpydurx at 2009-10-19 14:21 (UTC) (Link)
Does it hurt to be so stupid? Seriously. If you think that Vista 2 Windows 7 is a truly new Operating System, you've got another thought coming. This isn't something that was built from the ground up. It's really Vista SP 3.

Here's an idea: why don't you continue to be a Unix SysAdmin and let me continue to support WIndows apps. If you can't do that but rather want to continue to express your unconditional love or Vista 2 Windows 7, I'll set up an interview with my company so you can repress all those years of CLI on old, ugly terminals in exchange for some shinny, pointy clicky thingy that doesn't do shit, but is still shinny.

I never thought you were this shallow. I'm embarrassed to call you my friend.

Seriously, get over your fever and snap back to reality. Once you have, tell me this: what OS is going to run faster on your box: some *nix flavor (including OS X) or Windows? That's what I thought.

ehowton at 2009-10-19 18:01 (UTC) (Link)
I'd like to ignore your ravings, and I would were it not for the same thing which always reels me in like a fish caught on a hook: If I don't expose your strawman, those who don't know any better might think you know what you're talking about. And I feel a responsibility to my readers to not let that happen.

Let's go.


      "You're running the Vista kernel, dumbass."
        Not an accurate statement.

      "If you think that Vista 2 Windows 7 is a truly new Operating System"
        Not an accurate statement.

      "...but rather want to continue to express your unconditional love or Vista 2 Windows 7"
        A complete fabrication - Never stated nor implied; irrelevant

      "what OS is going to run faster on your box"
        Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.

ehowton at 2009-10-19 18:01 (UTC) (Link)
"You're running the Vista kernel, dumbass." AND "If you think that Vista 2 Windows 7 is a truly new Operating System"

While I appreciate someone who's recently stopped delivering pizza for a living coming at a long-time professional in the industry with boldness, the inverse of that is rudeness. Nothing screams, I'm an ignorant prick louder than being rude. That aside, let's see what the the President of Microsoft's Window Division, Steven Sinofsky says about it:

"Windows Vista was about improving those things ... Memory management, networking, process management, all of the security hardening, all of those things will carry forth, and maintain the compatibility with applications that people expect. Windows Vista established a very solid foundation, a multiyear foundation, particularly on subsystems like graphics and audio and storage and things like that, and Windows 7 will continue to build on that foundation as well."

Now I know he's just some high-powered, high-paid executive and you're a nobody, but by God you're a nobody who took some programming classes in some junior college in a Southern state, so I expect you to understand that a major point release isn't about "completely rewriting the code from scratch." Its about building upon the things which work. Its a modified kernel. Hell, XP was considered "5.1." Its a goddamn naming convention. Solaris changed their naming convention back during Solaris 7. So while Solaris 10 is *really* 5.10, it too was a COMPLETELY NEW OPERATING SYSTEM depending upon how you choose to acknowledge those things, and different people have different ideas about these things. To be kind, its very simplistic of you to think that the only way to have a new operating system is if the kernel is completely new. Its not your way or the highway. Sometimes even people in the industry have a difference of opinion on this, and they're way smarter than you are. So pretty please, with sugar on top, don't throw out 'dumbass' while tightly grasping that painfully glaring mirror.

"...but rather want to continue to express your unconditional love or Vista 2 Windows 7"

Where did I imply this? Oh - I didn't! You made a false statement. You lied. According to most tenants of the Christian religion, this means you're going straight to hell. Do not pass 'Go' do not collect $200. You have fallen short of the glory of God. No, you didn't accidentally misunderstand, you deliberately told an untruth to make it appear as if somehow, were I a fanboy of the new Windows operating system, it would undermine my words. You have a problem with Microsoft's naming convention? Go bray at someone who cares, but don't put words in my mouth. Its akin to cheating. If you cheat to win, its not really winning. And you have the gall to call me shallow? I'm disappointed in you. Now, go to hell.

"what OS is going to run faster on your box"

Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position and then refuting it, thus giving the appearance that the opponent's actual position has been refuted. Introducing apples to an orange comparison is akin to cowardice. No one likes a coward. Your question can't possibly be answered accurately, as (per your example) OSX won't run natively on just any x86 box. So if it can't be installed but Windows 7 can, one could then say "Windows 7" will run faster:

I'm not saying your argument is wrong, simply that its invalid.

ehowton at 2009-10-19 18:02 (UTC) (Link)
Of course its easy to vomit a ton of nonsensical shit and have the other person expend the energy to disqualify it. That's what makes what you do so very easy, and so very vile. People like you are bullies - I've run across them in various points in my life. And the lay claim to victory every chance they get and are smug in the chaos which follows in their wake.

Here's something else I've discovered about bullies: They're perpetually unhappy, and frustrated. Just like the sad, painful entries I've run across here: http://schpydurx.livejournal.com

I've often said I wish stupidity was painful, and as far as I can tell, to those who are bullies, my wish is a reality.
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