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Belkin Gigabit Powerline Adapters vs. Theoretical Time-Shifting

Posted on 2011.03.30 at 17:12
Current Location: 75409
Current Music: Bernstein: Stripes/Big Voodoo Daddy - Save my Soul
"Powerline" adapters extend your internet signal throughout your house using your existing power lines...but at what cost???

Serena Kharlukhi: Hi, my name is Serena Kharlukhi. How may I help you?
Eric Howton: Howdy!
Serena Kharlukhi: Hello Eric,
Eric Howton: I bought a Powerline HD 1GB Starter Kit today
Eric Howton: VERY excited to get internet to the back of the house
Eric Howton: Sadly, they only "connect" when plugged into the same room?
Serena Kharlukhi: Ok.
Serena Kharlukhi: Let me go ahead and assit you.
Eric Howton: That would be great!
Eric Howton: Because they don't *actually* work.
Eric Howton: Unless they're plugged into the same room.
Eric Howton: Which of course, isn't the idea behind why they exist.
Serena Kharlukhi: Please confirm if the model number of the Belkin product is F5D4076 v2000?
Eric Howton: Yes ma'am - more specifically, V2212
Serena Kharlukhi: Thank you for the confirmation.
Serena Kharlukhi: Did you try to plug in the adapters in the same electrical phase ?
Eric Howton: Like, temporal dynamics?
Eric Howton: They plug into the wall.
Serena Kharlukhi: Ok.
Eric Howton: When they're on the same wall or same room, they work
Eric Howton: When they're plugged into the walls of different rooms, they do not work.
Serena Kharlukhi: Ok.
Serena Kharlukhi: I will like to explain here the adapters will work when they are connected on the same electrical phase of the house, like a single phase electrical wiring.
Serena Kharlukhi: When you plug the adapter on a different wall socket of the same room do they work?
Eric Howton: As I've stated three times, yes.
Serena Kharlukhi: Ok so you are trying to use the other adapter in another room, correct?
Eric Howton: Awkwardly enough, yes.
Serena Kharlukhi: It could be a possibility that the wiring in the house is different in the other room as the adapters will only work in a single phase and the other room may have another electrical phase wiring.
Eric Howton: huh
Serena Kharlukhi: What I would suggest you is to check the electrical wiring on the other room from an electrician and confirm if the electrical phase is the same on all the rooms.
Serena Kharlukhi: Here the adapters will work if the electrical phase is single on all rooms, using same wiring phase.
Eric Howton: Thank you. I guess in reality, these aren't the solution I hoped they would be.
Serena Kharlukhi: Well for the adapters if they are working fine in one room they will also work fine in other rooms but the electrical phase here should be the same for all rooms.
Serena Kharlukhi: Please check for the wiring once and get back to us if the electrical phase is same on all rooms.
Eric Howton: Interestingly, I require them to work in different rooms. And re-wiring the house doesn't seem to be a viable financial option
Eric Howton: Thank you for your time.
Serena Kharlukhi: You are welcome Eric.
Serena Kharlukhi: I am sorry but the adapters works on a single phase.
Serena Kharlukhi: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
Eric Howton: No ma'am. Thank you have a FANTASTIC day!!!
Serena Kharlukhi: You are welcome Eric.
Serena Kharlukhi: Thank you for contacting us!
Serena Kharlukhi: Have a wonderful time ahead.
Serena Kharlukhi: Bye!!


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ehowton at 2011-03-30 23:20 (UTC) (Link)
Would you believe that they have an entire section dedicated to that problem on their website?

Guess it was pretty pervasive.
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ehowton at 2011-03-31 19:28 (UTC) (Link)
I love it!

I missed him at the book signing here, but managed to get a copy of his autographed book anyway :P
michelle1963 at 2011-03-30 22:58 (UTC) (Link)
Ah, so the various rooms are phased differently. That explains the time dilation effects I've been suffering. No wait...I think maybe it was the absinthe. ;-)
ehowton at 2011-03-30 23:19 (UTC) (Link)
I'm unsure I've met you yet.
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ehowton at 2011-03-31 23:58 (UTC) (Link)
And greatly decreases the effectiveness of their use!
CeltManX, Devlin O' Coileáin
celtmanx at 2011-03-31 02:35 (UTC) (Link)
So let me get this right. They only work if you live in a tiny hut in India where you only have one circuit breaker for your entire hut. This sounded like an episode from that new show "Outsourced" as I was reading it!!!
ehowton at 2011-03-31 23:46 (UTC) (Link)
Yes & yes.


That looked like it would be a pretty funny show...if it weren't so damned close to r/l...
codekitten at 2011-04-05 20:57 (UTC) (Link)
wow! this is pretty incredible.
ehowton at 2011-04-06 01:37 (UTC) (Link)
...and typical.
dentin at 2011-04-06 14:03 (UTC) (Link)
My guess would be that your house has 'split phase' wiring, which is pretty common. Basically the transformer that feeds your house has a 240 volt circuit split in half down the middle; the upper half feeds part of your house outlets, and the lower half feeds another part of your house outlets. The reason it's not just one circuit is that clothes dryers and stovetops generally use the full 240 volt circuit because they're energy hogs.

We ran into this same kind of problem with the technology when I was working on the OOMA project. They used existing telephone jack wiring instead of power wires; but the same problem of "this wiring was never meant to carry high speed data" was prevalent. They did get 95+% coverage as I recall, but there were a few problem houses that simply never worked quite right.
ehowton at 2011-04-06 15:50 (UTC) (Link)
Now this I understand. Have a wonderful time ahead!
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