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Kansas DMV

Posted on 2012.06.12 at 15:26
Current Location: 67114

There's a couple of things I never do despite the variety of states I move to every couple of years. One, I never change my driver's license. I have had my driver's license number memorized since I was sixteen years old, and I own both property in Texas and maintain a "permanent" federal address there as well. I also never change my vehicle registration. I am in Texas enough to get all necessary inspections and tags affixed to my vehicle. As Kansas however is a "no fault" insurance state, Texas will not let me register my car in Texas while I hold Kansas insurance. While refusing to bow to bureaucratic laws designed to bring in money to a state, e.g. registering my car in state after some pre-determined duration, I will not do anything which could be considered fraudulent, like change my insurance back to Texas while driving in Kansas. So for the first time since my Neon was purchased with Virginia plates (ZUZ-3119) I'm looking at non-Texas plates for my vehicle.

Why the concern? Let me explain. As a Texan, I'm afforded many entitlements which I have become accustomed to. No tax on food. No state income tax. I personally find the idea behind taxing one's income offensive, but since I usually only have to pay it at the federal level, I can at least control my disdain. The reason we Texans have such high sales tax is because we do not pay income tax. Ergo, I pick and choose what I spend and how. That is, until Kansas - which does have a state income tax - changed their sales tax to the high rate of Texas. Basically double-dipping. No one here apparently finds that reprehensible. My point is, I hate the midwest. Where car registration in Texas is under $70 a year, in Kansas it will be somewhere between four and six hundred dollars annually. I am literally being taxed into poverty living in this state.

I would say something pithy like, "I wonder why anyone lives here," only no one really does. When I worked here in 2002 Wichita was something like 300,000 people and over 50% of the Kansas population was in Wichita. There are more people in Dallas county than the entire state of Kansas.

But I'm nothing if not flexible! So I waltzed into the DMV today and found myself in a long, narrow room with a dozen people sitting on yellowed-vinyl yellow chairs. I walked all the way down to the end, then back up looking for a sign-in sheet, or a numerical service receptacle. Alas, there was nothing. So I walked back to the entrance and simply stood. As the only stander there I must have been making those on the business-side nervous because I was approached immediately by a lady about the nature of my standing. I explained I was there seeking answers. "To questions?" she asked. It was indicated that I should have a seat with a sweep of her arm to the vinyl-sitting crowd, all of whom were now watching me.

Since there was no semblance of order to the seating - it wasn't a formalized line - I asked, "Is there a sign-in sheet? Or a numbered ticketing system?" Before the arm-sweeping woman could answer, one of the younger women on the seats spoke up, bolstered by being in a small group of similarly aged young women, "Yeah, a sign-in sheet." No doubt wanting to put this errant insurrection I had caused to a quick end she of the sweeping arm asked to the entire crowd, "Who was the last one in here?" One sitting lady raised her hand but admitted that she came in after I did. With more arm-movements orchestrating a perceived dance of marionettes she indicated everyone should stand and reseat themselves in order.

No one moved.

So I asked if there was information on their website to common questions concerning vehicle registration in Kansas. "Not really. You should wait your turn to speak with one of the ladies."

"Thank you, ma'am!" I said brightly with a smile.

Then turned around, and walked out.


CeltManX, Devlin O' Coileáin
celtmanx at 2012-06-12 22:15 (UTC) (Link)
This post makes one ponder the age old question... So why the fuck are you still in Kansas??? What an unorganized, Yankee, no common sense state you live in.
catttitude at 2012-06-13 03:04 (UTC) (Link)
Because all my family members are dropping like fly's and I would like to spend time with some of the ones still alive. I am also able to take advantage of the good tech schools Kansas has to offer with out driving for an hour to get to one. Yes he hates it here. I wish he didn't.
ehowton at 2012-06-13 03:59 (UTC) (Link)
ehowton at 2012-06-13 03:59 (UTC) (Link)
We almost moved back, actually. That said, many things are in play which require both flexibility and finesse!
pcofwildthings at 2012-06-12 22:46 (UTC) (Link)
So how come you didn't just grab the closest chair when nobody reseated themselves? I have to admit I was sort of disappointed that Mr. Flexible walked out.

At the pathology lab at one of our doctor's, there is a numerical service receptacle (I never knew what to call those until now). Sometimes it gets busy there, but when it's not, it always feels completely ridiculous when the desk clerk watches you come in the door, says hello, then waits for you to take a ticket and, milliseconds later, calls your number.
CeltManX, Devlin O' Coileáin
celtmanx at 2012-06-13 02:11 (UTC) (Link)
I'll answer that one for him. We Texans don't react well when confronted with complete stupidity.
ehowton at 2012-06-13 04:30 (UTC) (Link)
So how come you didn't just grab the closest chair when nobody reseated themselves?

I have to admit I was sort of disappointed that Mr. Flexible walked out.
I'm thankful I had the flexibility to leave :P

(I never knew what to call those until now).
I just made that up. I'm pretty sure anyone would look at either of us as if we were nuts if we used that term in public.

...and, milliseconds later, calls your number.

pcofwildthings at 2012-06-13 04:56 (UTC) (Link)
Gotcha. I'd have just wanted to mess with their heads by taking the number one chair, because we midwesterners are sometimes passive-aggressive that way.

"I'm pretty sure anyone would look at either of us as if we were nuts if we used that term in public." Well, that wouldn't be the first time for me, getting that look. It's a good name though, better than "ticket thingie."
ehowton at 2012-06-13 12:03 (UTC) (Link)
"ticket thingie."

I momentarily considered using, the TAKE-A-NUMBER machine in the same vein as some of my contemporaries who call the informational directory map in the mall the YOU-ARE-HERE sign.

Example, "Where is that store?"

"I dunno, let's find the you-are-here sign."

michelle1963 at 2012-06-13 01:25 (UTC) (Link)
I've been in DMVs in KS, TX, and NV. While the flavor of bureaucratic think differs a bit, they all have it. I do think that with KS being so darn conservative, the bureaucrats here may have had double-dose.

The Las Vegas DMV seemed to have employees that were a bit more on the ball, and the place ran like a well oiled machine. You took a number and waited it for it to be flashed up in lights above the very long service desk. Of course, all of this followed a two hour wait to even reach the inside of the building after arriving an hour earlier than it opened in hopes to get a place in line that wouldn't require a four hour wait.

Yep, Nevada doesn't believe in a state income tax either.
ehowton at 2012-06-13 05:20 (UTC) (Link)
I should call up there tomorrow and try to make an appointment.
mr_dowg at 2012-06-13 15:28 (UTC) (Link)
While I completely understand why you are there and fully support the decision to move there to be near Cattitude's family I must stick to my guns and say that this all points to the fact that eventually you will be back here!!!! Sometime in the future :D

Edited at 2012-06-13 03:29 pm (UTC)
ehowton at 2012-06-13 16:51 (UTC) (Link)
Yee-Haw, sir. Yee-Haw.
slchurchman at 2012-06-13 20:42 (UTC) (Link)
As far as taxes, I've found you get what you pay for. Nevada is a "no income tax" state, but all other taxes were high, particularly car taxes and registration. NV was 49th in the nation in education, hours of wait for DMV, SSA (both Las Vegas and in little Pahrump), hours of wait in ERs and doctor's offices, and over 10,000 people living on the streets in LV. So those "entitlements" you enjoy can come with a stiff price for many others living in "no income tax" states.

Not having lived in TX, I can not speak as to services offered or not. I do know that Kansas ranks higher in education than TX, though do not have exact numbers. TX is fortunate in having the revenue from "big oil".

If you are really enamored with Take-a-Number, you'd probably be accomodated in Wichita. In my dealings with Harvey County DMV and car registration, I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes. Either things have changed or you hit a bad day.
ehowton at 2012-06-13 20:50 (UTC) (Link)
My wife appreciates the health care here over Texas. I'll give her that one.

And yes, once my life slows down just a bit, I plan to "check back" at different times during the day and/or different days of the week. I also assume, given the differences in how titles are handled in this state, it will take me several trips before I get all the correct documentation.

Your father-in-law told me of the FIVE HOUR WAIT he had at the Pahrump DMV. One word: EGASDS!
codekitten at 2012-06-14 13:19 (UTC) (Link)
man i thought our DMV was bad! no semblance of order on top of, well, being in the DMV in the first place? *shudder*

ehowton at 2012-06-14 14:06 (UTC) (Link)
My wife had a two-hour wait in a line which snaked outside the building in Texas. Just as I was building up a head of steamy incredulity over that she mentioned the posted sign which explained the population of the county when the city building was constructed, along with a history of the county's growth, budget, and construction projections.

Took all the wind out of my sails; Understanding is the cornerstone of logic.
codekitten at 2012-06-14 15:53 (UTC) (Link)
ah! very smart of them...that's a great idea.

i wonder if we could apply this elsewhere. like when people drop in at your house and it's a mess you could have this sign at the door. "this house is a mess because j* has been out of town for over a week, it's the end of the fiscal year which is my CRAZY time at work, sleep has been scarce and our washing machine is broken. please check back in a week."

ehowton at 2012-06-14 16:10 (UTC) (Link)

Non-Disclosure Agreement

Absolutely. Or "Entry requires NDA."
codekitten at 2012-06-14 16:54 (UTC) (Link)

Re: Non-Disclosure Agreement

i could have a "station" by the front door complete with pens, clipboard and the NDA. :D
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