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None of the Above

Posted on 2012.11.07 at 00:00
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I watched every debate leading up to the 2000 election in drax0r's hotel room in Massachusetts. I was convinced that Al Gore was the antichrist, bent on the destruction of modern civilization as we know it. I believed that George W. Bush was the savior we had all been waiting for.

Two things happened, separated by a decade.

First, I realized I may have been wrong about Bush. But only 10-years later did I wonder if Al Gore would've been the better choice.

In 2004 & 2008 I voted Libertarian.

I have served in countries led by an absolute monarchy who's constitution is their bible, so I'm not saying that the freedom to vote isn't a hard-earned privilege. I did however, exercise my right to not vote this year. I may very well feel differently four years from now. I was also disheartened today to learn that my children were told in school that Obama was "for America" indicating that Romney was not. I am confident that either leader has this nation's best interests in mind, albeit under two different - but likely very workable - directions.

Taken October 15, 2006


Lelf Treperra
ubet_cha at 2012-11-07 16:40 (UTC) (Link)
I've moved on to apathy as well. My goals are to concentrate on teaching my kids to think for themselves, to make decisions based on what a person actually does not by what they say and always have a plan "B".
ehowton at 2012-11-07 16:45 (UTC) (Link)
Yes, yes & yes. Rushing to label yourself is a means toward an unhealthy self-identity, one I'm finding a complex endeavor to articulate.
Missus Emm
missus_emm at 2012-11-07 17:28 (UTC) (Link)
It's weird, until I moved to this country, I never worried about whether I was wrong. In South Africa, it was a foregone conclusion that the ANC would win, it was just up to people like me to reduce their majority even though I am largely for their platform (just not their absolute power which did exactly as we feared and corrupted).

In UK, I voted for Lib Dem. I wish I hadn't. I don't quite know how I should have voted. All I was doing was voting for Not Gordon Brown. I wish Labour had deposed him earlier because then things would have been very different. I can't support any party who is actively promoting poverty and enriching big business and the upper classes. Of course, I'd prefer to live in a society where the upper classes weren't so entrenched and protected.
ehowton at 2012-11-07 17:39 (UTC) (Link)
Learning to reject the logical fallacy of false dilemma while embracing a two-party system appears inherently flawed. I haven't quite figured it all out yet.
Missus Emm
missus_emm at 2012-11-07 18:00 (UTC) (Link)
Ha ha ha, I am so tired and frazzled after a pretty epic crisis at work. You're going to have to explain that again. Slowly.
ehowton at 2012-11-07 18:13 (UTC) (Link)
As I mentioned, I haven't figured it all out yet, but basically false dichotomy is presenting only two options - usually at either ends of the spectrum (black & white) - as the only solution. In the case of a two-party system surely something other other than one extreme or the other (however you choose to view it, liberal/conservative, left-wing/right-wing) can be a more workable solution than absolutely one or absolutely the other. It just seems so illogical. So this year I chose to not label myself an extremist.

Edited at 2012-11-07 06:14 pm (UTC)
Missus Emm
missus_emm at 2012-11-07 18:33 (UTC) (Link)
I'm reading a book on Syria at the moment and the author raised such an interesting point. The absolute point, he says, of a two-party state is to alternate between them. Not that one is right or one is wrong or one has the answers. Just that you'll alternate between them. Seems to me that it can't be able capitalism / socialism, right / left anymore. We need to start applying our minds and come up with a new solution. After all, we have over 100 years of economists who have graduated since capitalism was identified as flawed and socialism began to emerge.
ehowton at 2012-11-07 18:42 (UTC) (Link)
When those in power wish for nothing more than to remain so, they have no motivation to fix what's broken. It seems to me its more a matter of greed than wholesomely doing the right thing. Of course given that everyone, everywhere has different ideas of what is "right" (presumably that which most benefits them), I really don't foresee a sweeping change of heart in the masses anytime soon. For if nothing else we are a true democracy - discouragingly comprised of two-party thinkers.
Lelf Treperra
ubet_cha at 2012-11-07 20:32 (UTC) (Link)
So you've actually met my congressman then?
michelle1963 at 2012-11-09 15:18 (UTC) (Link)
While politics has always been somewhat of a "dirty business," part of America's strength has been a lively exchange of ideas on how to deal with issues and move forward. Yes, each voice vehemently posited their ideas into the forum, and at the end of the debate those same statesmen understood the others' points of view - even if not agreeing - and knew how to compromise.

Currently, political debate seems to have devolved into questioning the opponents loyalty to America, and personal insults. "Ah, your mother wears combat boots!" I don't care if I totally disagree with another person's political ideas, and in fact may think they are absurd bordering on ridiculous, but I would never question the other's devotion to our nation.

I am beginning to think that those politicians who raise that question of others are probably projecting, and that they themselves need to be looked at more closely.

At least the politicians aren't brawling on the Senate floor as they occasionally did in our history - but perhaps that was more honest.
ehowton at 2012-11-09 18:10 (UTC) (Link)
Your mom told me a story the other day about Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill and their starkly different (and often very overtly broadcast) political attacks on each other over their viewpoints, yet "after work" were friends.

I saw a lot of what's wrong with people in Anna politics - they took any disagreement over their viewpoint as a personal attack.

How sad.
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