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V for Vendetta

Posted on 2006.08.12 at 00:01


drax0r at 2006-08-14 07:35 (UTC) (Link)
The last time I made this staement, a friend on LJ stopped talking to me

Your friend must really have liked Green Day. :)

If we were living in a dystopian society - a movie like "V For Vendetta" would not be made

I didn't mean to imply that we were currently living in such a society, but surely we can look at events of late and imagine those events being the types of thing that would preface that sort of regime, given the right circumstances going forward. The stage is set.

In the past 6 years, we've seen the government implement widespread internet surveillance, phone taps without judicial approval, a foreign intel detour around federal domestic surveillance limitations, a much broader definition of "terrorism" that seems to potentially include any violent crime or computer crime, a program that holds U.S. citizens suspected of terrorist connections - without trial or any external oversight, and large scale data-mining on telephone and banking transactions.

Those are just the things we've found out about so far.

No, we're not living in an Orwellian world, but I don't think its too much of a stretch to imagine Orwell writing about these circumstances in a history of Oceania.

WAR IS PEACE: Iraq, Afghanistan, and the nebulous "War on Terror" "so we don't have to fight 'em over here"
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY: Gitmo, detention of Americans without trial, TSA prohibition of a bottle of water or an iPod on an airplane
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH: "The press is helping terrorists by publishing reports of domestic surveillance"

Crappy, digestable anger spoonfed for a mass audience that's looking for it's way out instead of making one.

It occurs to me that that might be exactly what we need.

I'd be less worried about an Orwellian future brought on by the government than I would by the apathy of the average man.

I'm extremely concerned about both, and think that "V" is the type of "spoonfed, digestible anger" our society as a whole needs to encourage the latter to prevent the former.

People willing to believe in any kind of security deserve whatever they get.

Perhaps, but its the nature of society that those who are willing to sell out their freedom and privacy for any kind of security can have an effect on those who refuse to.

Blowing up parlament is utterly counterproductive to [fight against the established law and defeat the Big Brother Government.]

I disagree. Its not the destruction of the building that is productive in asserting change, but the act of destroying the building inspires and galvanizes the people -- to show them that they can, in fact, take control of their own fate. V cannot take down the government, but the thousands and thousands of people in Trafalgar Square can. To quote the film: A building is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, blowing up a building can change the world.

Thats like punching someone to show how nonviolent you are.

No, that's like punching someone to show how tired you are of them shitting on you -- to demonstrate that, despite the shitter having all the perceived power, that you're willing to strike back, in an act of solidarity and defiance, because facing the sword as a free man is better than living complacently as a slave.

In the movie, the government was so oppressive that such acts were the only alternative. We're nowhere near that point -- we've still got plenty of options left, and I certainly don't support that level of direct action, but the film illustrates a scenario where such actions would be warranted. Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants alike." If the setting of V for Vendetta is not an example of that time, then I don't know what would be.

I'll continue in a second response, as, per LJ: Sorry, but your comment of 4705 character exceeds the maximum character length of 4300.
ehowton at 2006-08-14 21:05 (UTC) (Link)
Perhaps, but its the nature of society that those who are willing to sell out their freedom and privacy for any kind of security can have an effect on those who refuse to.

What then, is the alternative for the minority? Casting a vote as the minority won't fix anything - violence is frowned upon...in order to stir the massses to action, it requires the embodiment of 'the masses' i.e. the greater number to act. How then is that accomplished in today's society?
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